I think you mean Hardened steel, not stainless
@dstevens_lv it was an example with an imaginery price, And with an imaginary costs of 25$ as well, so 60$ would be at about 2.4 times the costs of the product and even meets your 2.3 to 2.5 times.
And this is the pricepoint of the product when you are dependent to batch production while looking at the costs, so??.
Ferrari is not a good example, cause they dont need to get batch production from another manufacturer to get it’s price right and when compared to marked share in automobile industry, you would suggest like selling less than 1 nozzle in 5 years for about 10 times the prize of a normal nozzle.
That’s not working on such a product.
And do you know what market cap means?
It is a bet of investors what the company can be worth eventualy in the future, nothing more.
Of course you can have higher prices, but in the case of 3D-printer nozzles there is a limit in the customers budget.
But maybe i do not understand you right!?
Or maybe i wrote something the wrong way, english is not my native language, but some people understand what i wrote so i guess it is OK 
@Mike_Kelly_Mike_Make I guess you’re right, E3D never said what kind of steel their hardened nozzles are made from.
@Markus_Osmers_mo22 Market cap is the total monetary value of all outstanding shares of the company. The market cap is absolutely the value of the company at any given time. It’s stock price times number of shares.
What you are describing is valuation, as in startup valuation. For example Uber having a valuation of $40 or however many billions it is this week is based on investor buy in rather than actual performance. That money doesn’t exist except as a value. The market cap does exist as those shares have value that can be traded right now in the market.
My point is the same. Ferrari is a high end brand with premium price. Should this tool perform with far greater longevity than other like tools, I think it should be priced accordingly.
Your command of written English is excellent.
My point just was more like, if you want to start a company and have not a lot of money to invest you want a presale at a reasonable price but also want this price to secure coming to the market and also having a chance to grow the business with the initial sales and getting the production costs down as fast as possible.
Just look at waterjet nozzles with 0.35mm diameter that have a gem, just like this nozzle, those are available for around 10,- EUR. Thats why Im pretty sure that the price in manufacturing has a lot of potential to come down after hitting the market and get into bigger numbers as fast as possible.
Well just one more shot to market cap (we can have different opinions on that :D), your description of its meaning is correct, but thats exactly why i say its just a bet of investors that trade these shares for a price they think it will be worth in the future. This whole trading world is just betting on getting more out than invested and while everyone is guessing about it, most future predictions are allready in the numbers.
If one would start selling shares in bigger numbers, the value will decrease rapidly, while it also rises as long as people are willing to pay the price.
So the stock-price really is questionable to reality, imo.
@Ryan_Carlyle @Mike_Kelly_Mike_Make
They say its 303 stainless steel what the hardened nozzle are of.
http://e3d-online.com/v6-Extra-Nozzle-Stainless-Steel-1.75mmx0.40mm
What is 303 stainless steel:
http://www.speedymetals.com/information/Material47.html
@Markus_Osmers_mo22 that’s their regular stainless nozzle, not their hardened nozzle.
Info on hardened steel nozzle: http://e3d-online.com/blog/is-carbon-killing-your-nozzle
@Ryan_Carlyle Uh my bad, missed that there’s allready another one, thx for pointing me to it.
@Brook_Drumm I would to discuss your offer further. Again i really appreciate the incite everyone has been providing.
@Creative_Tools do you sell 3d printer parts in your showroom?
@Jonathan_Hurst we sell online and through a bunch of distributors.
Can i buy one now or even just a jem or two?
@Jonathan_Hurst please add me to your ML. I tried to add myself, but your submission form is broken at this time. (At least for me.)
Product question: are you currently offering only a single diameter option? Or will you be offering more diameters? I’m thinking along the lines of the Volcano offerings and higher speed/volume extrusions. So something in the 0.8/1.0/1.2mm ranges.
Thoughts on the price:
$75 for a high durability, good heat conductivity, and hard wearing gem nozzle is, in my mind, reasonable.
I can see myself getting one, as I’ve held off on the carbon fiber and metal filaments exactly because of the abrasion issue. A nozzle that won’t succumb to abrasion/erosion is a massive plus.
A good target market segment would be the small to medium 3d printer production houses that need to do long runs without the nozzle failing. They can certainly absorb the cost of the nozzle.
@Brook_Drumm Already love your printers. Seeing a metal Ubis head with one of these will make it a no-brainer for me to upgrade the hotend to one with a gem nozzle. ^_-
Risk-wise… patent protection and competition from overseascoughchinacough clones that can negatively impact your sales.
Kinda makes me want to make a home DIY gem nozzle myself.
@Wing_Wong Thanks for the input. I agree sometimes it is better to print with a larger nozzle. I am planing on having a range of sizes. I will add you to the list. What print to you currently use?
@Daniel_Kruger I am planning to release a Kickstarter soon to get the prices down. What kind of printer do you use?
@Jonathan_Hurst I’m working on my second i3+(1/8" steel). I use e3d v6 clones and Bond Tech extruders. I have stone setting experience so I should be able to bezel set a gem in a nozzle. I get good prints 60mm/sec with 150mm/sec rappids.