ABS Fumes harming pet fish?

ABS Fumes harming pet fish?

I just had one of my Siamese fighting fish die 2 days ago, and my second is looking quite sick and looks like he might be on his death bed as well.

The only difference I can think of is the fact I’ve been printing only ABS for the last week (I’ve mostly been printing with PLA previously), with the fish in the same room and the doors closed to stop drafts.

I’ve read that fumes from paint and kitchens can harm fish. I’m just wondering if anyone else has experienced that?

Certain animals are extremely sensitive to fumes. I certainly wouldn’t print ABS in a closed room with a canary for instance.

@ThantiK I’ve seen a few comments in regards to birds and printing in my Google searches, but nothing specifically relating to fish, hence my query.

I got my wife to replace his water and in future when printing (hopefully if he makes it), I’ll be moving him to another room.

I guess another valid reason to stick with PLA?

I can only say that I get headaches from printing ABS in closed rooms.

@Juliane_Clausen I’ve heard of that happening too… I’m kind of strange and like the smell of the ABS I’m printing with…

Do you still print with ABS?

Canary in the coal mine.

Rig some ventalation and get some cheaper fish to alert you to potential health hazards.

@Daniel_Porter Sometimes but I make sure to open the window wide. It’s just that there are some guys in our makerspace who don’t care and if I arrive and open a window they are surprised. Takes a while to get some air to breath again.

@Fess_ter_Geek kind of reminds me of ‘Close Encounters’ :wink:

@Juliane_Clausen my son has a bunch of allergies/intolerances with food (plus some environmental triggers), so being cautious etc, I know where you are coming from, I would be totally understanding in those circumstances!

I experience headaches with ABS but not with PLA. I work in a university designlab and will be installing fume extraction for our 5 up!s and one replicator 2x.

Common for Bettas to be housed in very small tanks, yet this is not their reality in the wild. If you have them in small bowls or (like some books suggest) a water glass, then the surface area of the water is too small to begin with. My opinion is that a 10 gallon tank is the minimum necessary for proper O2 exchange, and to dilute the waste toxins. Proper water changes are still required; at least 10% exchanged per week.
Of course the ABS is toxic, but with the added complications and stress of a too small tank, it likely tipped the balance. Get that fish some clean air, stat.

There are some ABS fume catcher designs on Thingiverse and there is always a store bought air purifier. ABS fumes give me a headache lately too.

@Jonathan_Roeder The one which passed away a couple of days ago, I’ve had over a year, the one who’s not looking good, I’ve have for over 5 years now. I do water exchanges and haven’t had any issues with them in the past. It was just the sudden downturn this week, initially I thought of one, then the second one showing signs, hence the query.

@NathanielStenzel further reading in regards to the ABS and air filters, apparently the parts are too small to be filtered. Whilst it will work a little, apparently they don’t filter out all the ABS nasties.

So pollen filters won’t cut it? Maybe if the filter is wet it will have a better chance of catching the fumes. Not sure what air humidity will do to the fumes though.
Honestly, I wish we printed in sawdust and tree sap. Hahaha. Someone really needs to try that.

@NathanielStenzel this is the post I was referencing re: particle size: http://hackaday.com/2013/11/20/3d-printering-wherein-abs-is-dangerous/

ABS Particles (this is all going by that study) are 15 nanometers, HEPA filters can only filter >300 nanometers.

hehe, re: sawdust, there are other issues there too :S

You dont happen to use abs juice or any other solvent on the heated bed? Fish is extremely sensitive to solvents as it damage their gils and prevent them to absorb oxygen.

@Rikard_Hamrin I do use ABS juice…

I know that pet fish and birds can be poisoned by overheating a teflon coated cooking pan.

teflon pans…annoying crap. I would prefer stainless steel so I can use “High” on my stove. Damned non-stick coating of unkown origin from a country that I do not trust (China) to make quality goods. Even if that country does make quality goods, the corporate pricks here probably still buy the cheapest crap they can get from there to sell to us at a price suggesting that it was of good quality. Greedy bastards. Oops…I was ranting again.

@NathanielStenzel Rants are fine…

My second fish is still alive, but not looking too well. If someone else see’s this and then thinks about moving their fish tank because of it… it can potentially save fish lives :wink:

I guess this means we should wash anything we print out for use in a fish tank? I saw that someone printed a Castle of Greyskull (He-man castle) and it looked like it would be a great fish castle in an aquarium. Considering this discussion though, I think it would kill the fish if a person failed to wash it with soapy water and a scrub brush.