Any tips on bowden setups? I am struggling with retraction and coasting,

Any tips on bowden setups? I am struggling with retraction and coasting, stringing and oozing.

Mini Hotend, B’struder, just changed drive gear to MK8 from MK7, 140 Esteps/mm 20mm/s retraction speed. Went up to 150mm travel speed but had Hatchbox stringing under control at 80mm/s. main problem is cannot get filament to stop oozing and bowden tube movement seems to cause pressure changes in melt zone.

Can get to work with Hatchbox ok, but overhangs in the 70-80 degree range string, oddly it bridges perfectly just over extrudes on overhang corners it travels around.

Atomic filament has been rough, switched to new roll of it to try it thinking it was better (more expensive and US manufacture). but it is seemingly less consistent with over extruded layers and huge extrusion width of at times .9 or more. may be my settings causing that as I am new to Bowden.

The bowden tube is roughly 520mm, need to shorten that I guess. Planning on mounting extruder on a rail hanging down from side top just above where it will interfere with print area top layers.

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Black is hatchbox, working OK with stock Mini Kossel Dodecahedron G code. Was tuning the overhang over extrusion and found the stock G Code example is set to under extrude for surface quality which isn’t really functional for me, making prototypes of working parts normally. Got the overhangs to be cleaner but not perfect and can still see every retraction on the surface.

White is Atomic Filament, struggling with this stuff but need to make it work it’s my only white PLA right now and my only full new roll :frowning:

I haven’t had a Bowden setup in a year or so but if I recollect correctly I had my retraction speed at significantly higher than that. Maybe around 100+mm/s

If you are in the US go try some Inland brand PLA from Microcenter. Good quality consistent filament and $15 a kilo. Bowden is tricky to get tuned well. I would shorten that tube if you can and try to get your temp down a little. It should help with your oozing. Those tests that you are doing are a good way to gauge so keep them up!

I figured out some preliminary methods for forcing retractions to all be internal after infill. Outer wall layer>inner wall layer>infill (20%) and then it retracts. Layer Tab>Start Points>Choose start point closest to specific location> 0,0 setting (for a Delta, center bed for cart or core). All retractions are now internal to islands and starts are on inner walls away from direct view at least, starting to look way better. Pics soon and a more complete S3D setting description when I figure out why its specificly working this way.

Do you have Bowden clips on your setup (i.e. http://www.spyder3dworld.com/wp-content/uploads/edd/2015/08/1.jpg)? It may also be worth fooling around with temperatures and part cooling to reduce some of the blobbing, overhang, and stringing performance