Cartesian considerations I'm thinking the next printer will be a Cartesian (rather than Delta),

Cartesian considerations

I’m thinking the next printer will be a Cartesian (rather than Delta), and am looking for insight on the different possibilities.

  1. requirement the first: 10" to 12" XY envelope

Based on that, I’d rather NOT have to have a 20-24"+ footprint, therefore, the bed shouldn’t be the part that moves in the XY plane

That said, the build platform could move, a la Ultimaker, or the printhead could move a la Mendel90…

On one end I see an issue as the platform is held at one end and cantilevered, on the other, I see two motors handling movement, is coordination an issue?

Then there’s belts vs. ACME screws (also an Ultimaker/Mendel/Makerbot kinda question) Belts for XY and an ACME screw for Z would be fine, but I’m wondering what that adds to the build cost?

You are probably looking at around $150 for lead screw and nuts. But I have been using m8 fine 8x1.0 with good luck on my Z. I just orders leads from misumi that’s why I say $150… To bad I didn’t qualify for the free first 150 promotion.

That’s why things have to be spec’d carefully…$150 for one precision leadscrew…or $300 for two (Mendel90)…with a single leadscrew, would you have issues with a 10" cantilevered build platform?

Honestly, you’re probably looking for something like the ingentis: https://www.youmagine.com/designs/ingentis-a-tantillus-variant@Tim_Rastall made the derivative from the T-slot tantillus. Work is still being done on the Z axis setup I believe.

No cantilevered bed, X/Y gantry overhead, T-slot construction so adding panels, etc should be easy and awesome. Its current incarnation is spectra-based, but I’m sure very few modifications would be needed to convert it to Ultimaker-style belted.

Yeah, I probably am! I’ll take a closer look at it!

I’ve been accumulating some parts for a new build along the lines of @Eclsnowman 's coreXY but with a variety of a scissor lift for the Z using one lead screw. Just scratches on paper now, as I try to get competent in 3dCAD. I follow with great interest the belt vs Spectra developments.

As @ThantiK mentions, I am still developing and finessing the design, the only challenge with belts is finding the right size of gt2 pulley with a 10mm bore. I’m working on printed ones but then I’m working on a lot of things :). Tbh, I’d say that right now, you’d have less trouble with something like @Eclsnowman s design, he’s stuck to the beaten track a bit more than I have. @Wolfmanjm has a pretty sweet looking corexy too, it’s also very well documented. https://github.com/wolfmanjm/wolfhbot?files=1

I have three lifetime’s supply of spectra…I also have 6 cogged timing-belt gears I have no use for (they came in the RUMBA kit…and the replacement RUMBA kit after I blew up the first one.)

Spent some time looking at the Replicator2 at Microcenter today…I’m surprised at some of their decisions…the bushings look like plain, cheap, brass/bronze ones…the motors also look smaller than NEMA17, and the Acme screw for the Z axis looks…well…not the finest example of an ACME leadscrew I’ve seen. Still, you can’t argue with the output, which was fairly stunning.

@Mike_Miller The replicator 2x uses Nema 17 motors, just small ones. The acme z axis is more than adequate, as I’ve never had issues with the z and y axes. The x axis design, however, is atrocious. Misumi is incredibly overpriced for anything except for extrusion. You can get decent acme threaded rod at McMaster Carr for cheaper, but you’ll probably be fine with normal threaded rod as you’re not moving fast, nor are you moving much load.

As for the bearings, bronze is fine as long as they remain lubricated. IMHO, they’re much better than the LM8UU bearings I have on my home printer, as the starting friction is much lower than the that of the roller bearings. The only reason I’m sticking with the LM8UU’s on my new design, is that I already own them, and BOM cost equals “hey honey, I spent more money” to my wife.

If you want to use Spectra, @Tim_Rastall 's design is probably the best at meeting your size requirements, but I’ve been leaning toward @Eclsnowman 's core xy design, as I’m fine with using timing belts as they’re dirt cheap on aliexpress.

I didn’t quite follow your requirements though, as you stated that the print bed could move, like in the the Ultimaker, or the printhead could move like in the Mendel 90. I think you meant to reverse that.

I had been hellbent on designing to have absolute minimal mass moving, using a core xy gantry with a Bowden extruder system, but then I realized that I hate my current Bowden system on my home printer, and the direct drive on the Replicator 2X I use at work, while still unreliable, is MUCH MUCH better than my home bowden system.

The fact that the Ultimaker 2 uses a direct drive sealed the deal for me on direct drive extrusion.

If you like the ultimaker/tantillus gantry, then go for the Ingentis. I personally, do not want to add more precision rails than what I already own, so I’m opting to spend the money on cheap pulleys with a core xy.

So now that I’ve bored you with my thought process, I hope that helps in any way in yours. Good luck

Far from boring, it was very informative, and like you, I’d like to use what I have, and I have a bunch of it already. I can turn oillite bushings myself, as a second printer, I’m hoping I can print the other parts myself, again reducing build costs more.

@Eric_Moy isn’t ultimaker 2 still bowden?

Yeah @Eric_Moy Ultimaker 2 well and truly Bowden. Nothing wrong with Bowden as long as to have the right tube, fittings and cold end.

Well dang, I guess it is Bowden, my bad. Hard to tell from the pictures I guess. @Tim_Rastall , I guess the key word is “right” parts. I figure I’ll just upgrade to Bowden after i get printer working as direct drive, as I’m currently struggling with my existing Bowden and dripping. Could be my generic crappy hotend though. I figure I can build for direct drive, and modify to Bowden if necessary layer. I’m not ready for the Kraken goodness yet, as I’m only going to have 2 extruder.

If and when I decide to go Bowden again, I’m sure I’ll be bugging everybody for advice :slight_smile:

@Brigham_Valdez I would love to see the design when you get a chance. I am always looking for improvements.