Dropping the speed and temp right down didn’t help so I thought I’d bring in some extreme cooling. Only to find the chill factor caused the print to lift off the bed!
Time to turn up the bed temp a bit and try yet another test… yawn… this is getting tedious. No wonder some printer suppliers lock users into their filament and carefully mix chemicals so they all have the same temperature requirements.

PLA printing ned cooling but equally on all sides. ABS must not use fan at all. No wind not even open the door to the room
yeah @Mark_MARKSE_Emery i have found a lot of variety in the plastics I have received. Now I stick with the manufacturers plastic (have an UP Plus 2). Some of the cheaper stuff I was originally getting from china was problematic.
This fan was too extreeme, the bed wattage wasn’t high enough to keep the bed warm even on the fans lowest setting. Time to dig out some PC fans.