Guys, I'm concerned... The seller of my machine has requested my to unwind the

Guys,
I’m concerned… The seller of my machine has requested my to unwind the high voltage line and check if there is voltage.
I have attached the instruction video that they’ve provided… Is this just insane??
How high is the voltage on out of these power supplies? I could get a serious shock from doing this.
Do you think a standard multimeter would be a better way to check voltage from the power supply, or will this not be strong enough?
Your advice will be appreciated.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Byfi1-CGBrCGbnRyMG5oRllQZE0

on this side of the PSU, you are >15000V not good with multimeter.
but you don’t need a value, just to find out if PSU is dead or if it’s the tube. if no arcing your PSU is dead.
but not really a test for everybody to do.

15000V!! That’s huge!
I think I’ll just get a nail in a long piece of timber to test the arcing. My multimeter will explode at 15000V.

Alternatively place a webcam in the tube compartment & watch what happens when you test fire. You should be able to visibly see any arcs (as it is basically dark in there).

There is NO OH&S in China!

Testing for arcs can damage the power supply.
Oh and then there’s this…

Arching to grnd is not good for the supply nor the human holding the plug. Sorry, this is just stupid, these supplies are LETHAL!

It seems that we as community we should come up with a safe way to test LVPS’s. I see lots of posts where during troubleshooting it is necessary to isolate a bad LPS from the Laser.

Essentially we would need a DIY HV probe that will work with a DVM and some published values that indicate good-bad. You can buy probes but they are expensive.

Here are some videos on the subject of testing LPS:

Don’t like the safety on this one:
laser tube and power problem test - YouTube … no idea what the resistor value is?

Better:
Measuring current and voltage in CO2 laser tube - YouTube, this uses 10x 47meg resistors enclosed in a shop made probe.

You can get some HV resistors here:

Most of the people in this forum should not be playing with high voltage. Remember when they used to install stickers that said There are no user-serviceable parts inside. As a matter of fact there very few people in this forum properly educated on operating a laser in a safe manner.

You could try the packing peanut test. I haven’t verified it myself, but supposedly give you a quick indication if the supply is completely failed (though it doesn’t discriminate between a good supply and a marginal one).
Visit here and search for “peanut”:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general-laser-engraving-cutting-machine-discussion/252972-software-posts.html

@Jon_Bruno That is true, but it does not stop them from trying :frowning:

@David_Lancaster I wonder if a neon bulb (like in an AC tester) would light next to the HV cable??? Or a coil of wire around the HV cable connected to a current sense.

Thanks guys, I also think this is crazy.
I tested it with a rig, I was far away from the arc (there actually wasn’t any arc in the end. The power supply must have failed).
I agree, these are potentially lethal machines and the idiots selling these machines don’t realise they’re risking peoples lives by instructing dangerous tasks.
An alignment video that the supplier provided showed a person holding their hand in front of the beam with a piece of cardboard… Just asking for 3rd degree burns!
There are so many negatives about these machines and their suppliers, but for the price point there is literally no other option.

@Anthony_Santoro Just FYI, others that have had a LPS fail have repaired them when the input rectifier have failed. Is there any fuse etc blown?

There are plenty of insulated high voltage testers around on ebay - I use them in HF Amps for Ham Radio - use one of them.

That’s nuts lol

NO! a multimeter will NOT do it, but it might KILL YOU trying

Thanks for the advice guys!
I tested this in the safest way possible, with a rig on a rubber mat. I stood far away from the live wire.
The support from the seller is suicidal.

I wonder if the warranty covers funeral expenses these days…

I guess the reality is, they are cheap machines and most sellers (at least on eBay) appear to be drop shippers with very little experience.

I won’t be playing around with the PSU anytime soon as I have very little electrical experience and as Peter van der Walt has pointed out it will only take a couple of people to accidentally die following dubious advice before the government will crack down on the use of such machines.

Just tell them it didn’t work. At least you should get a replacement.

@I_Laser did you end up getting the bubbles out of your tube? What was your solution?