I 'm looking for an all metal hotend.

I 'm looking for an all metal hotend.
Any recommendations? (other than e3d please, I 'd prefer to avoid it). #hotend

Not cheap but good …
http://reprap-fab.org/shop/index.php?cPath=22&XTCsid=2c70ekave8v8qbp0cpcqtt7124

Hexagon extruder from reprapworld

Printrbot just released a new all-metal Ubis hot end that looks really good.

@Carlton_Dodd do you have any link to share? Maybe I 've gone blind but I can’t seem to find it in their store…

Other good Metal extruder check @Maxim_Melcher ​ extruder

@Yiannis_Mandravellos
I had to do a search to find it, too!
http://printrbot.com/shop/metal-ubis-hot-end/

REVIEW: Prometheus V1 all metal Hotend for RepRap 3D printers! http://youtu.be/vSKx7lQcpGU

It would help to know what you don’t like about E3D. Cost? Bad experience? Barrel diameter or length? I don’t have a stake in that matter, just curious.

We just launched a metal hotend here at Printrbot. It’s $75 right now with a 2 week lead while we tool up.

@Brook_Drumm yes, I found it with the help of @Carlton_Dodd . Looks nice but I was hoping of buying it as a Christmas gift so the lead time is kind of a deal breaker… :frowning:

@Jeff_DeMaagd bad support experience (stopped production on parts needed to convert my 6-months old v5 from 3mm to 1.75mm). I prefer to give my hard earned money to people that respect me as a paying customer.

The prometheus hotend looks rather interesting. Anyone that has some personal experience with it?

@Yiannis_Mandravellos I have one, so far it performs as advertised. Temp control seems to be very tight. I also moved the heatsink and nuts on the end back a full turn from recommended as the nozzle was picking up a lot of stray plastic. Been printing like a champ since. I would like to note my experience has been limited to this, a complete crap DIYTechshop head and a knock off J-head. The J-head worked well for me, but the Prometheus is far more consistent.

@Yiannis_Mandravellos You can’t really “convert” a 3mm v5 to a 1.75mm v5. The parts just aren’t interchangable, except for the heater block.

If you want to “convert” your v5 3mm to 1.75mm you’d need to buy a whole new heatsink, heatbreak, and nozzle. Which if you’re going that far you should upgrade to the far improved v6, which they sell as a metal only kit.

but far be it for me to try and correct your entitlement complex.

@Mike_Kelly_Mike_Make I don’t really want to discuss my experience with e3d (the company) as it’s not the point of this post. That’s why I didn’t disclose the full details (although for you they probably don’t matter, as you 've obviously already drawn your own conclusion).
On the other hand, I 've had no problems with the v5 hotend itself, in case that makes you feel any better.
Contrary to what fanboys seem to believe, there are other quality hotends out there. So please let me discover some of them with the help of the kind folks here…

Well you should be more specific, because what I read is “They stopped selling a part I need to do something that wasn’t even possible”

If they were rude to you or something, that’s fine, but I just don’t see them doing that. My experiences have been they’re a stand up company and a great face for the aftermarket experience.

If by fanboys you mean educated consumers? There’s not a great selection of all metal hot ends out there. The E3D v6 is the best of the best from my research. The prometheus seems fine but I don’t agree with the size of their melt zone nor does it have any PTFE to help with insertion. It’s just not as good of a hot end.

The hexagon has a tiny ID, 1.8mm. Not very accommodating of out of spec filaments or flexibles that can compress.

The Ubi all metal hot end seems good, but you have to wait for it.

That’s really your only good options. If you don’t want the best option because of entitlement, fine, but don’t call us fan boys because we know what’s good.

“…that wasn’t even possible”: I think that shows you misunderstood it all along. Expensive? Maybe. Impossible? No, at least not if they had the parts to sell.

Anyway, thank you for the detailed input about the other hotends. Some valuable info there.
Since you know what’s good, sharing that great info from the start would 've been (more than) fine. Instead , you were only judgmental about my decision to not go with the be-all, end-all of hotends, the v6. And then you wonder why I called you a fanboy…

FYI, a fanboy is a person who is enthusiastically devoted to something (check it on wikipedia). It’s not a bad thing per-se so don’t be insulted, please :).

Still, I sincerely thank you for sharing your experience with the other hotends. It is very helpful to me and exactly what I was after with this post :slight_smile:

I know they offered parts that could convert v5 to v6. It seems converting v5 3mm to v5 1.75mm would require replacing over 75% of the E3D. A lot of hot ends, good or otherwise, don’t even have any conversion path at all, all parts except the heater and thermistor are different. They look the same outwardly, but every part is different once you start looking inside.

"If you want to “convert” your v5 3mm to 1.75mm you’d need to buy a whole new heatsink, heatbreak, and nozzle. Which if you’re going that far you should upgrade to the far improved v6, which they sell as a metal only kit. "

I said right away what you’d need to do, which I still think is the best option. Didn’t feel like going into details on other options that I don’t view to be as quality. I think companies like filastruder might still have inventory of 3mm E3Dv5 components.

These companies don’t owe us anything. Products go in and out of production all the time and that’s just the nature of it. If you think otherwise I suggest googling “How to know if i have an entitlement complex” while we’re googling things :slight_smile:

Fan boyism tends to have the connotation you view only that thing as good. I can respect the other hot ends, like how the prometheus has an adjustable large melt zone, but in terms of quality it’s really a competition between the E3D v6 and the Ubi’s, which I haven’t heard consumer reviews of.