Just out of idle curiosity...

Just out of idle curiosity… out of those of you who designed and built your own cnc machine, how many times did you change the design (rough estimate is fine) before the machine was full functioning?

personally Ive lost count… full redesigns of the machine have been more than 5-6 individual components… countless…

im beginning to understand the quote, “Perfect is the enemy of good.”

ill be honest i still struggle with the concept of a cnc machine capable of any reasonable “Work” that is largely made of MDF. its no offense to those who go that route but i tend to over build everything. i also work as a Machine Designer so that probably doesn’t help lol :D.

any who id like to hear about your design processes.

Hi Bryan,

This is a really good question. Personally I designed and redesigned (full) Shapeoko probably 7-8 times before landing on the final design that was actually released. But even then, I was still tweaking parts all the way until I submitted them to the manufacturer.

In the years since releasing the first shapeoko, I’ve learned quite a few things about designing something new. The three most important are:

1.) What are your design objectives (design intent)? Really sit down and ask yourself what you want your machine to do. This will focus your design efforts and help quell the tangent thoughts you have while designing.

2.) Set constraints! Time, cost, size, ease of assembly, etc. Whatever is important to you, define it! Without constraints, you have the potential of jumping around from design to design without gaining any sort of clear perspective on why you’re changing things (or if they even need to be changed).

3.) Build it. No seriously. Build it!

You can sit around for years and year designing something. But, the fact of the matter is that none of that really matters if you don’t actually build it!

I found, that settling on the desing for the the entire machine design was very difficult for me. The equivalent of eating an entire elephant in one bite. To keep myself moving forward, I would settle on one aspect of the design that I was comfortable with, and then actually build it. Once that part is built, you have little incentive to change any parts that depend on the newly built part (as you’d have to rebuild it!).

Working through the design systematically you will naturally eliminate changing the design for assemblies that you’ve already built. So, maybe you do the Z-axis design and then build it. Then design the gantry and then build it. Then you can slide you z-axis onto your gantry! Then build the Y axis, then the work area. Before you know it, you’ll have an entire machine :slight_smile:

Good luck, and great question!

-Edward

thank you for the response. i too began with a whole machine concept then quickly realized it would be better if a began with a blocked out drawing rather than full details and from them work one assembly and build it.

I come now to within a frame where i can power up and wouldn’t you know my gantry is not moving as it should. far too much resistance in the slides. and i also suspect i have too much misalignment in the slides. that being said i now see my design is lacking the ability to truly line thing up and adjust if needed :(.

In my experience, I’ve changed two or three times my design (i consider this should be important changes, like the main concept of the machine) I’m use to design in some particular way. Beforedrawing or model anything, i consider you need to spend lot of time researching how similar machines are designed and built, so you need to obtain the maximum information n order to have all the possibilities clear. Once, you need to spend lot of time searching for the perfect components for you. The ones will define your machine. In a CNC, for example, the main constraint will be the “budget”. How much money could you spend? that will define ALL.
What electronic, what kind of motors, what kind of linear bearings, what kind of structure… all this is depending on budget. So first you need to have this clear. In my case, m budget defined that my structure was made in MDF, my linear bearings with normal ball bearings, my electronic, was a Kit, etc…
Once you have all this clear, you can start designing the rest of the cnc, that will be basically customized parts around the commercial parts you already defined with your budget. And believe me, this is the easiest and funniest part. (i really enjoy modeling in SW)
After this, as Edward say, Build it!!
Other strategy i use in my designs, is make the design adaptative, That means: I have all parts with reference to a master part (basically a part with the main sketches of all the CNC) Why?
Because if I need to change a meassure, just modify a simply part dimmension, and all the entire design will be update to the correct size. For example, in my CNC design, if I change the X working lenght, all the CNC will adapt to this new dimension, so I save lot of time, and do less mistakes.
If you want more information about this concept, you can see my blog at this post:
http://o3ozono.com/en/paso-02-diseno-cad/
http://o3ozono.com/en/paso-03-detalles-del-diseno-cad/

Not sure if i you understand me, (sorry for my english) just ask if there is any doubt :wink:

i under stand well i do the same thing every day. with SolidWorks i use Multi-body Part files to complete the design then break them out from there to add details and make drawings… sounds to me like so far the three of us have a similar process to design and build. :smiley:

I designed and built a few little CNCs and most recently a steel framed 5’X10’ rack and pinion drive CNC. I designed 80% in CAD and 20% as I went along. I find that no matter how detailed you design in CAD you’ll still always find some kind of oversight when you go to build it- so I leave enough tolerance to make minor adjustments to the design when I go build and assemble.

I designed my machine with upgrades/revisions in mind (from previous CNC building experience) and it’s worked out well. I’ve done tiny revisions here and there, but recently changed up a major portion of my machine, because of a design oversight. I’m happy with the machine… for now.

I redesigned mine every time I made a good purchase on eBay or the surplus store. Probably 4 times. I’m about 90% done with 3 different machines. I’m hoping to finish the best one to use to build parts for a better one.

yeah i understand that i have plans to further upgrade from 2’x3’ rails to 5’x3’ rails. i found a set of extruded aluminum hard coat anodized double v rails from an Italian company called SpeedyRail. Apparently they ar not very cheap but i got them surplus for $15 ea :smiley: they are Worth that in scrap lol. the next version will be a vast improvement in speed smoothness and rigidity.