So, one thing that actually bothers me about youmagine. There are some models that should be taken down, they are a violation of copyrights by GW. Everyone knows that GW is against 3D printed models. I am in favor of FOSS but i am not a fan of piracy. They should be taken down.
Facilitating the violation of copyrights is just as bad as what MBI is doing. Taking the rights to distribute away from the owners is wrong. Now that being said i do not agree with the practices of GW, RIAA, MPAA, or any of the other companies that are hysterically over priced and under preforming. But facilitating piracy, and complaining about theft of IP is so hypocritical…
Note: 10% different is what is required for you not to violate copyrights, don’t name you models 100% the same and don’t make the files 100% the same and they cannot have them taken down.
Games Workshop… whatever its the responsibility of the copyright owner to enforce (or not) their own copyrights. Could you imagine any file repository (like Flickr?) having to police each and every upload for potential infringement. That is frankly absurd.
@Brian_Evans I know, it is on the front page… I just reported it… but still.
Edit: it is an attitude that is common in this community, and it is incredibly childish. The big guy is evil do what you can to hurt them, but when they do the same thing complain. I am against IP theft. No matter who the victim is.
Fyi I Am hosting.bases, but they are general miniature bases not. Specifically the miniatures
cc @Daid_Braam are you listening
I think we’re talking about this one? https://www.youmagine.com/designs/spacemarine-terminator
Are they copyright or trademark violations? Copyright would mean they copied actual stuff out of the gameworkshop games. And we should not allow that.
Trademark is a different thing in this case. Games-workshop was coming down heavy with their “we trademarked big shoulder-pads and spacemarines”.
But they actually lost a lawsuit on that a while back. And actually some stuff on thingiverse also returned because of that.
I’m not sure how the law is on this stuff. For example, copying a photo is clearly a copyright violation. But what if you make an artistic drawing based of that photo? Is that copyright violation? Same thing might be happening here. The models do not look copied from a video-game (they are too detailed for that)
As for Games-Workshop themselves. They are awful. They have sued fan-sites for using photos from their website. Their stores have all kinds of awful rules, like, you’re not allowed to play with anything but official models in their store. And only the latest version of the rules. When a new rule-book comes out, they are not allowed to sell, give away the older versions. Those have to be destroyed. Not obeying these rules and games-workshop will shut down your store.
I actually talked to a former shop owner. And talked to someone who was told to leave to store after they discovered he was using a 3D printed tank.
(This only goes for real games-workshop stores. You also have normal game stores that sell games-workshop stuff on the side. They are not bound by these rules)
Finally, contact @Erik_de_Bruijn1 for YouMagine stuff. He runs it, I’m not really involved.
@Daid_Braam I do agree that gw is one of the worst businesses out there. The models are not identical, but using the warhammer name and space marine terminator makes me think it is atleast a trade mark violation… tagging it with work shop.
Side note: I was asked not to bring in one of my hand made tanks because it didn’t contain any gw parts… then a few weeks later they issues the “only we can sell things online” policy. And the “no selling bits online” and the “3d printing is the devil”… really they should have started selling models on their internal servers, embraced legal sales in any form and treated the customers like customers, not criminals…
I was going to ping you but I knew you were not the right person…
(Note, this is one of those cases where I can say “I’m very glad that it’s not my problem”)
@Camerin_hahn IP problems like this are everyone’s problem. You’re right that it’s an issue, regardless of the fact that suing fans isn’t going help Games Workshop. Some good points are made in this thread.
I don’t see this as a specific problem to YouMagine, every model platform will have some responsibility. However, everyone managing a platform will have a bit of a learning curve (so so do we, but we definitely care about this issue). If the volume of submissions increase that will increase the amount of violations, so most will rely on reports. We’ve got a report feature built in for a long time. So that will help uncover some of the more salient infringements, but it also will create false positives.
@Erik_de_Bruijn I found the report feature about 45 seconds after posting this. At this point i will not recommend anyone use GW stuff, buy their goods, or even play their game. But i also do not think anyone should pirate their stuff. If the owner of those models posted them under a different name, i would be completely okay with that stuff being there. I agree that GW like to step over the line and take things that are not theirs (like specific colors on space marines are “trade marked”). But 10% different. If it was that i would not have any problems. We as a community need to start submitting take down requests for these models, not advertising them.