The short Rostock MAX build and initial operation review:

The short Rostock MAX build and initial operation review:

My use case for 3D printing is the production of strong, medium to large parts for the research and development of ocean going robots. As such, my personal Mendel 90 was only going to keep up so long - and so after some rigorous research, I settled on the Rostock Max to compliment it. I print exclusively in ABS or higher temp filaments (PET, Nylon, Polycarbonate) and so needed a heated bed, with the larger the build area, and the faster the print speed, the better.

The kit came exceedingly well packaged (even if you hate foam peanuts.) The time between order and delivery was ~ 1.5 weeks, but had xmas right in the middle of it, so would likely be quicker for most people. I decided, somewhat last minute, to paint about half of the components to give the printer a two-tone look. The melamine takes a coat of spray paint quite nicely.

The build started Saturday morning, I had a couple helpers fora couple hours that afternoon, and I wrapped up and began calibration Monday at noon. I worked on it from about 10AM to 630PM each day. The base went together quicker and easier than expected, although the mechanical aptitude of 3 degree’d mechanical engineers might have helped things go smoother. By the end of the first day, the base, towers, and top were assembled, only the arms/carriages, and electronics remained. Day 2 I was on my own - the carriages went together nicely, and for the first time I came up short on some hardware - the short, #4-40 socket head cap screws. At final count (I had left some in T-nuts in the base) I was short only one, but this is minor in the grand scheme of things. I really like the belt routing, and found the process of attaching the belt to the carriages easy with the help of a zip-tie wedge.

The electronics similarly went together well - I don’t like that no clear method of routing the wires to the top is provided (outside of the appendix that has you printing and adding parts in) - but I made do. The only part of the entire kit I strongly dislike is the hot-end. It seems to be performing OK so far, but it’s design and user assembly is ridiculous. The power resistors need to be wrapped in tin foil, taking care not to allow for it to short out, before being inserted and glued in. Why couldn’t the holes be machined smaller, or a larger diameter resistor chosen?! The RTV glue and small lengths of PTFE for the leads are not provided - which doesn’t make any sense to me.

The electronics were wrapped up around noon on Monday, and the calibration process was surprisingly painless. The assembly guide does a good job documenting the steps, and while I don’t like the limit switch - screw approach, it will do until I can add some auto bed leveling. (Anyone know of a proven, easy design for that with deltas? I have run 2 extra conductors to the effector, and have 12 V for the fan on the E3D hot end available as well…)

The first couple prints of a calibration cube I stopped mid print to re-apply ABS juice or adjust bed temps, run another PID auto-tune, and make a very slight adjustment to my z-offset. I’ve included a gallery of some of these parts and a video of its current operation. I’m running around 60 mm/s, which is fast enough for me, with ABS and no fan on the hotend.

All in all, if you want a delta without going to the trouble of self-sourcing parts, or paying the slightly higher price for a pre-assembled unit (without the fun of putting it together & the tweaking knowledge that comes with) I highly recommend this kit. I’m a fairly well versed rep-rapper, and found its assembly slightly more complex and time consuming than nophead’s Mendel 90.

tl;dr : Rostock Max is a great deal at $1k. But get an E3d hotend. The build went smoothly. Expect to do one or two upgrades. Prints shown are good, but not 100% dialed in yet. @OctoPrint is running the show already!

nice review. I agree with everything you said. I love my max. I didn`t have issues with delt.arm.blues but have since changed over to the carbon fiber arms and the machine seems quieter and my prints are turning out near perfect. I thin they will be perfect ocnce I deal.with se slicer issues I have been seeing.

Very nice. I had considered one of these, but took a chance on the RigidBot Big instead. I am still waiting, and waiting… Since it would have been my first, I thought it too great a challenge for a beginner.

BTW: I may need that herringbone ring gear, is it’s STL available?

It’s the outer piece from emmits gear bearing on thingiverse, let me know if you can’t find it. I spun it to fast and to long on a power drill, and melted the inner drive gear - haha.

One thing I forgot to mention - another thing that was not included on the hot end (which should have been) were the crimps to attach the resistors to the wiring. I was building it at a well stocked shop so it wasn’t an issue, but for crying out loud!

I should have also said that I replaced the heater resistors with the 40 watt ones that have the leads on one end. No crimps needed.

@Anthony_White Hahahaha. I know that model. I had not seen it in pieces though. You must have really beaten it up. Thanks for the info and the chuckle.

A 40 WATT 12V heating cartridge and a slightly larger thermistor are some things that I got for mine. I only used one heating cartridge for the hotend. These are things I got elsewhere after the thermistor fell out when handling the nozzle. I also bought some connectors so I could quick disconnect the electrical connections. I still had to use a small amount of aluminum foil for getting the heater cartridge in snug. SeeMeCNC avoids using heater cartridges because the firmware did not have enough safety features in place at the time of the design. The best safety feature being dual thermistors for detecting if one fell out and minimum and maximum temperatures.

Good luck with tuning it in. It took me a while. I found out that my 3 beams going up the sides were angled slightly. There are some thingiverse prints for helping you get them straight.

You will probably have better luck if your printer is not on the floor. Sadly, I don’t think I have a good place to put mine else than the floor. It is a problem with convection currents from the heat bed causing drafts that result in bad prints.

Oh yeah. This is a big one. Check out their forums. There is a build section there.

I had connectors from remote control stuff I used for the thermistor and hot end. E3D nozzle arrives Thursday. The short but large prints I’ve done so far have come out acceptable, but I’m either seeing backlash or bad calibration on some infill. I’ll check out a taller print for calibration, any recommendation @NathanielStenzel ? Something I print with one or two perimeters only I assume… I was quite pleased with how square I got my towers, and how equal height the limit switch mounts are. All within .02 degrees or .1mm I’d say…

@Anthony_White Well, there are a few things I would recommend printing, but they are not all calibration objects. Here is a list of links.

Thin walls and bridging.

These small things are simply a pain in the butt to print. They don’t use much filament though.

Spikey bracelet. Training for lift prevention. Mild overhangs. Helps detect sharpness of print.

Keep your towers straight. Did not try it out myself yet.

Little wall and potential warp issues. LED light ring for the printer.

Bed leveling and circle test.

Should have a flexible base if you print right. Has pain in the butt warts on it if retract is set wrong. I need to cure those warts in my prints.

Has a small gap between layers. You either have to have your support set really low so you can remove it or you have to bridge it tightly enough to fit the coin in.

Enclosure! (mostly enclosed anyways). Requires acryllic.

The bud vase will have a seem towards the top if you have it printing too fast. Set a minimum time per layer till it goes away. Make sure to have your retract set good.

And…find some tall vase that you actually print in vase mode.

So ummm…yeah. That is stuff that I figure if you print all of them well, you will have cool/useful stuff and you will have proven you got your printer tweaked just right. Don’t be surprised if you have to start all over again figuring things out if the temperature changes alot or you change filament. Please excuse the non-traditional advice, but I believe in practical printing torture tests and so only some of these are actually “calibration prints”.

By the way, beware of cura infills going wrong within 3 inches due to printing too fast. The infill is too darned thin and is about as good as folded paper. At least it was during a few of my print attempts. Sometimes I have to use Cura and sometimes I have to use Slic3r.

I’ve never really used anything but slic3r, but it’s been acting a little funny on a few parts today (since the update?)
I’ve been meaning to give Cura a try though. We shall see! Thanks for the links - I agree with your practical printing torture test, I’ve made a lot of these in the process of becoming satisfied with my Mendel90